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For me-Not enough net to keep from breaking glass!

I totally get it. Casting slows swing speed. Shallowing without holding the angle increases swing speed.

Your ball started right of target. Push fade.

My ball could find that inch break in that netting so my ball would go sailing through. On to damage

I know you all think I'm crazy ... but the release point is the result of the direction of force. It happens naturally, with a slight delay, after force is exhausted. You cannot actively control where the release happens. It has to be reverse engineered with trial and error. The release happens about 30º to 40º, rotationally, after force is no longer be applied. To assume you can control the release point in real time is to assume the golf club has no weight, mass or inertia and if it didn't have any of those attributes, that would be like trying to hit a golf ball with a paper straw.

I wish i could get lessons from milo, modern swing, simple, and he seems patient enough to help me through my issues. Top instructor!

Hey Milo , all I would be able to focus on is your neighbours windows lol.

I wanna swing without back pain

Impressive clubhead and ball speed with your natural swing ! Keep it up Milo and thanks for the video !

Awesome video. I don't disagree with you, but it seems like Monte Scheinblum does. He's adament about throwing away lag (#2 in your experiment) fast and early. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something or perhaps 'feel is not real'. But whatever the case, I know he doesn't swing it slow. Maybe guys like you just innately know how to swing sticks fast. IDK

super cool experiment. confirms my feels.. But sometimes my old "steery" hockey slapshot habits come back out and mess it all up. so I'll keep building trust and let club swing. As long as I don't stall the body.. :)

The club only goes there because of the wrist/forearm positions. It’s very easy to rotate exactly as shown here and still steepen the shaft. Glad the forearm supination aspect is mentioned here at least.

What about full iron shots? Is this a good rule of thumb for full shots??

Never release the club or it will go flying out of your hands.

I have seen greater distance and accuracy in “casting the club”. Sounds weird but it has improved my game dramatically. It gets the club back on plane quicker. I’ve had terrible success using a “body swing”. There is no “one way” to swing club. I would say that what ever helps you with regards to increased distance and accuracy, is the “best way” to swing the club.

Study Hogan’s swing in freeze frame then the swings of Moe Norman and Harry Frankenberg (Count Yogi). All three of them had a lot of side bend which maintained radial deviation lag deep into their downswings and then they release the club with the same action as cracking the tip of a whip past the sound barrier, maxing out unlar deviation as club head met, compressed and release the ball as hands and face locked square to the target. It creates huge amount of acceleration and exponential increase in club head kinetic energy and striking force. I discovered this retooling my swing twenty years ago using Five Lesson, doing Hogan’s waggle with the wrists and letting a ball get in the way. It exploded off the face and flew straight.

Each scenario I believe help new golfers as they are doing too much of 1 or the other. I started golf later in life, & nothing feels natural to me. I have really fast twitch reflexes, I couldnt even feel the club release. Ur videos are great Milo, thanks.

Great video, Milo. I've noticed that whenever I try Release #3, I get great lag, but horrible contact and speed. Smash factor is at about 1.35 to 1.4 and I can't seem to swing no more than 97 or 98 mph. When I let my arms (what I think is a natural) fall, it FEELS like I'm getting great lag, but when I film myself, I'm actually fully releasing the club at about P6 (pre-impact, just as my hands reach the side of my leg). Contact is perfect, swing speed is at my max (roughly 103-105), and smash factor is 1.45 or slightly above. I just can't seem to do those super lag swings that Cameron Champ and Jake Knapp seem to pull off with ease. (It doesn't help that I'm over 50 years old, 5'8, with a body built on black beans and rice.)

Hi Milo, what is causing the ball going left? This drill has helped me "opening" the hips. Best Regards

FOS

This was very cool!👌🏻

IMHO, the best release comes very late with a will of straightening both arms in line.

Have you spoke to Mike Malaska as to why he advocates the “tipping” of the club? After 50+ years of teaching, he seems to swear by the technique. Thanks.

Interesting insight! I wonder how much of this depends on what type of ground force the person mostly uses. I imagine that (vertical force) and (lateral force) driven players need to feel more early release, and (torque driven/pivot driven) players need to feel like they hold the angles. 🤔 Solid video, gave me some things to think about🤙

Nice illustration. I would imagine if the golf club was engineered in the opposite way where the weight was in the handle versus the head there would be a need to use the trail arm to generate speed. As long as people watch golf on TV and the numerous golf gurus on RUclips who continually point out characteristics, positions, etc. of swings by professional golfers by using a still frame and/or slow motion video, the more the amateur golfer (and aspiring professionals) will struggle. As you have mentioned, the swing like many other motions in other sports is dynamic and what happens along the way and at impact are a result of numerous factors, but not something manipulated during the motion. This is why you will always have job security Milo. My swing doesn't look like yours because this is your swing, but the principles of motion you teach for the golf swing I try to apply to my swing and when I get it right, it feels good and doesn't hurt my body like the past few decades of trying to achieve a look or position of another golfer. Keep up the great work.

I've done this experiment myself a few times. I think the feels are going to be a little different for everybody, and ultimately you never know what is correct for you until you try it yourself. My own results sometimes change day to day. Golf is hard.

Your three wood swing at 6:32 looks like so many of my videos of my swing. 3:03 is what I am struggling with. I want so much to understand how to get to the feeling you describe before the 8:56 swing.

First of all, great video, thanks Milo! A question, how do you ensure you don't get stuck with your arms and elbow? I see you manage to keep a very good structure, but when I try the sameI get my left arm pinned against my chest. I think that's why some teachers advocate for an early release, as that is putting the arms in motion and help you get unstuck.

As a hitter in baseball I never manually tried to hit with the trail arm, and as a pitcher I never tried to unload the wrist yet it happens every time I throw or hit. I have experimented with every golf swing idea I can find and have found for me any effort to hit with the trail arm or wrist drastically slows my swing down and causes poor contact and face control problems.

would love to see a video with someone with restricted turn ability. 64 with back/neck issues and no way i can rotate like this. i have to have more hands/forearms action to make any speed. more like what larry rinker does. great stuff as usual.......................

I basically learned my swing from Hogans stuff for the most part and prefer your method for sure.

So when is “when or where in the downswing” is the release happening? Thanks

Lol this guy... I hate the way that you sneak diss

Cool video 👍

Great experiment sir, this is exactly what double pendulum model experiment confirms.

Thanks. Very helpful. Do your neighbors hate you?

I somehow manage to not release driver and longer clubs, producing a duck hooked, topped or skyed driver due to negative loft. To hit it solid I need to feel the right arm / shoulder low in setup and right arm going under in the strike.

Net so far away, neighbors windows so close. Luckily Milo is an elite athlete. I'd be breaking glass for sure

Since "feel isn't real" and with all your good golf analysis toys, I'd love to see actual measurements of the vector forces your hands apply to the club along with a plot of the hand and clubhead speeds and resulting ball speed. In #4, the "natural" swing, is this the feel like with a rope drill with no wrist torque, just swinging and letting the weight of the head dictate the hand forces?

Thanks Milo! Makes sense

is this swing good or bad for lower back? I have swapped swings every week for 5 years looking for something that just feels good and no sore back when i wake up next day.

Am 6'1" and 34" wrist to floor and play 3 degrees flat

Hmm that RH grip of DD looks familiar.😊

Would you say that the wrist set is what gets it outside? I guess my question is, if you don’t set the wrist would the club head then stay inline

Hey Milos, this is a good video, but it’s evident that you buy subscribers and/or comments by the comments section, half of these comments have nothing to do with the video itself or have Palestinian flags, it’s really not a good look. I’ll give you a subscribe, but you might want to think about doing something about that.

What!!!

Get down and turn out the way and it the ball fat , you dont just turn through This is very misleading Theyre not clearly explaining the other piece of the jigsaw What goes down must come up

Basically it seems like your body drags your arms in the back swing and downswing?

Thank you for the visualization!

Incredible pants on that guy